EMRFD Message Archive 13316

Message	Date	From	Subject
13316	2016-12-04 17:22:48	bob_ledoux	Crumbling 'Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur'
I have a copy of the original 1986 printing for this book.  I also bought a later 1994 copy but gave it to another ham in need. Here is the problem:  My pages are yellowing and starting to disintegrate. The book has been well cared for, stored in my living room library.  So deterioration is not due to weathering or abuse. I went looking for a used copy.  Abebooks lists 12, ranging in price from $71 to $754.  I'm not willing to spend that kind of money on another volume that might also go to pieces. Much of the material in SSDRA was prepared by Doug DeMaw, W1FB, and is not available in other  publications.  I, like many others, also feel some topics are better covered here than in EMRFD. How do we ensure continued availability of this material? bob-N7SUR
13317	2016-12-04 18:28:24	Chris Howard w0ep	Re: Crumbling 'Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur'
I think it would be legal for you to take your crumbling copy to the local kwik-copy place and have them chop off the binding and scan it for you and make a PDF. I don't think it would be legal for you to share that PDF with other people. But I am not a lawyer and I've never played one on TV. Chris Howard w0ep
13318	2016-12-04 20:44:43	ad7jt	Re: Crumbling 'Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur'
Check out this site:  N5DUX Ham Radio PDFs N5DUX Ham Radio PDFs All works are copyright of their respective owners. © 2006-2016, N5DUX View on www.n5dux.com Preview by Yahoo 73, Dave - AD7JT
13319	2016-12-05 07:58:31	bob_ledoux	Re: Crumbling 'Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur'
WOW bob-N7SUR
13320	2016-12-05 08:08:22	winston376	Re: Crumbling 'Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur'
I'm always amazed on these forums at how unknowledgeable persons tout copyright law as if  they are expert  'copyright police'  based on a lack of knowledge and understanding of  "fair use".
13321	2016-12-05 08:48:22	markwdunning	Re: Crumbling 'Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur'
Bob I have the same issue with my copy. My guess is that the original print run used cheap paper which contained acid. My solution is to scan it chapter by chapter for my own use. According to my interpretation of copyright law in Australia, provided it is for my own use then that is legal. After all I can't be held responsible for the original poor choice of paper (I guess they never thought it would last so long). Scanning is tedious however using a home printer/scanner/fax, I am only two thirds of the way through and I started 6 months ago. I see from a later post that someone else not only beat me to it but did a better job at scanning. 73 Mark VK6WV
13322	2016-12-05 09:24:00	Todd F. Carney / ...	Re: Crumbling 'Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur'
I work for FedEx Office (formerly Kinkos) and we will cut off the binding of a personally-owned book so the book's owner can do what he wants with it, but we absolutely will not copy or scan a copyrighted work unless we are presented with written permission from the copyright holder. And, since we aren't lawyers, we are not allowed to act on claims of "fair use" which, in any event, are limited to the reproduction of no more than 1/7th of a work (in the USA according to FXO training programs). I might add that sometimes a customer has secured and documented such permission to our satisfaction. Has anyone asked the ARRL? 73, Todd K7TFC
13323	2016-12-05 09:58:35	Phil Sittner	Re: Crumbling 'Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur'
There have been several instances presented where ARRL publications, currently out of print, are being sought by members of this forum, including EMRFD. Has anyone considered contacting the ARRL about the prospect of using "POD", print on demand publishers, to archive and produce out of print league publications? It would seem to be the ideal solution in that the league would earn royalties and the amateur community would have the sought after information, Phil KD6RM
13324	2016-12-05 10:10:38	Ashhar Farhan	Re: Crumbling 'Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur'
comrades, please desist from promoting piracy of books. if you do see any of these books online, drop a line to arrl to issue them a take down notice and ask the arrl to issue a cd for the old out of print books. just like we are frustrated by the bad judgements issued by the courts and yet we refrain from going against them, similarly, if publishers take a bad call to not keep a book in print, we cannot break law to circulate it.  i should declare that personally, i am not a proponent of resrtictive copyright. almost all code i wrote at work was pushed under GPL. that doesnt mean that i dont care for others copyrights. lets hope that this group doesnt have to take coercive measures. - f
13325	2016-12-05 10:23:18	ve3ghm	Re: Crumbling 'Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur'
The ARRL is already using Lulu to make available current and past editions of the various conference proceedings (VHF UHF Microwave Digital etc). I would not be great leap on their (ARRL's) part to extend to other out of print books. The biggest hurdle of course would be how much work it would require on their (ARRL) part to prepare what they have of these old publications so that they could be produced by the likes of Lulu. cheers, Graham ve3gtc
13326	2016-12-05 11:10:34	Scott McDonald	Re: Crumbling 'Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur'
It would be great to get the ARRL to reissue in paper or as an eBook. I finally got a copy for month, but my library in Illinois had to borrow it from a library in Idaho.  What a great book! There was a rumor floating around on another reflector that the book would go back into print next year, but I couldn't confirm that on the ARRL site. At least a revised Chapter One is available for download with several errors corrected, as well as updated software under the errata section. 73 Scott ka9p  Sent from my iPad
13327	2016-12-05 11:10:47	David J Nushardt	Re: Crumbling 'Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur'
Bob Since the book Solid State Design is a ARRL publication you should request them to make pdf copies available. Dave
13328	2016-12-05 11:39:36	w7zoi	Re: Crumbling 'Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur'
Hello Bob, and gang, Just sit on this problem for a month or two and there will be a solution that you will probably like.     We are not yet ready to say more about details, although the League folks have told me that vague hints are now OK.    I've had a comment on my web site for a few days. I looked in my library and found several of the original 1977 versions of SSD, a couple of the 1986 ones, and one hard bound 1977 version.   The 1986 ($15) one seemed to be on a bit better quality paper than the $7 1977 originals.     None of mine were crumbling in the way that some of you have described, although some pages are slightly yellow.    (No, none are for sale!)    The hard cover version is one of three specials that Doug had bound when the book came out in 1977.   He kept one, sent one to me, and put the third in the library at League Headquarters. 73, Wes w7zoi
13329	2016-12-05 12:16:42	bob_ledoux	Re: Crumbling 'Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur'
Thanks, Wes, I miss Lew MecCoy's  (W1ICP) works too. Maybe I see you at Rickreal on February 18th. bob-N7SUR
13330	2016-12-05 12:30:18	Clint	Re: Crumbling 'Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur'
I had an original 1977 version and the pages were yellow and started to tear apart very easily.  I probably used that book more than any other technical reference over the past 40 years.   73 Clint W7KEC
13331	2016-12-05 16:30:03	Bill Carver	Re: Crumbling 'Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur'
GET IT REBOUND. Used to be a routine thing in the olden days, there must be people who still do it. W7AAZ
13332	2016-12-05 16:45:33	Alan Jones	Re: Crumbling 'Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur'
My 1986 version of Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur is in excellent condition with no yellowing of the pages. Maybe we should start grading our copies of SSDRA like the comic book collectors for the 1977 printing, LOL. Al, N8WQ
13333	2016-12-05 16:48:03	Rick Herndon	Re: Crumbling 'Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur'
Hams being what they are, I'll wager they could scurry up a pile o' volunteers to do the scanning. Rick Herndon K5FNI
13334	2016-12-05 16:49:15	michael_byrd73	Re: Crumbling 'Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur'
I read comments earlier today and went to find my copy. Mine is from 1977 as well and now has very brown pages that would tear easily. I can still read everything and all of the pages are good, but I am not sure for how much longer. I built several circuits from this book and spent about 45 minutes looking through it again.  I would love to have this as an ebook to retain the information. Mike, AC4UR
13335	2016-12-05 16:49:58	michael_byrd73	Re: Crumbling 'Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur'
Bill, Getting books rebound is an option but considering the paper used, it would not survive the process. The paper isn't strong enough to withstand much bending. ( I worked in a print shop for many years) Mike, AC4UR
13337	2016-12-06 00:54:16	blumu	Re: Crumbling 'Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur'
On 06.12.16 00:32, michael_byrd wrote: > I read comments earlier today and went to find my copy. > Mine is from 1977 as well and now has very brown pages > that would tear easily. > Mike, AC4UR My much-used 1977 edition is still in good condition, even though the paper is not of the best quality. Different batches of paper used in the original print run? Conditions under which the edition has been stored over the years? MichaelUK
13338	2016-12-06 09:57:15	Frank Dinger	Re: Crumbling 'Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur'
Having bought a copy of the 3rd printing 1995 for US$15.00,happily used but of course still as new , later I also was given a copy of the original 1977 edition ,the latter having yellow-ish pages but still overall in excellent condition   ...........a true treasure for the  QRP home-brewer and that at the time for US$7.00 Frank    ,  GM0CSZ / KN6WH      in IO87AT
13339	2016-12-06 10:22:24	David J Nushardt	Re: Crumbling 'Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur'
Guys; I also have the 1977 edition the paper is yellow but it was never white , look at the price of the book,I don't know about you all, but that was the best 7 dollars I spent! Obviously a low coast solution. My cover was just about to fall off I just used packing tape along the spine, no torn pages yet or crumbling. I would like to be the first to thank the folks at ARRL for hearing our concerns and responding. If I interpret Wes correctly good thing are in the works and the ARRL is Responding! Thanks ARRL! Kind Regards Dave
13340	2016-12-07 01:24:28	Alberto I2PHD	Re: Crumbling 'Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur'
I own both the 1977 and the 1986 editions, and can testify that the older one has a paper which by now is of an yellowish color. Don't remember how it was when new. The 1986 edition has a much whiter paper. Neither of the two editions is crumbling, despite frequent usage. I think that the secret is to not push the book flat open on the table, as some do, just to keep it open at a given page... You can judge for yourself of the difference in color of the two papers : 73  Alberto  I2PHD
13341	2016-12-07 03:26:11	Russell Shaw	Re: Crumbling 'Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur'
13343	2016-12-07 08:16:10	winston376	Re: Crumbling 'Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur'
Refer to "Fair Use" exceptions to US copyright